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Tyla · Jun 20, 2008, 06:29 PM // 18:29

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

I disagree. The SF ele is there for ToF. Considering that he has no SY and no minions as shield, ToF is useful for the damage reduction, especially in HM.

No SY or minions as a shield? Think about it: He is using Incoming, and if he follows my suggestion of Enfeebling Blood he will have another strong damage mitigation device.

Elemental damage is less effective in HM, and apart from the minimal damage it serves ToF, so remove this, put in an Orders Necro for more damage off the melee and more adrenaline spamming, and you save 1 skill slot and gain alot more damage.

bendezium · Jun 20, 2008, 06:42 PM // 18:42

I guess I should have mentioned that I like the Enfeebling Blood idea.

Alright - I'll chuck the Ele and ToF for an Orders Necro. You guys talked me into it, lol.

EDIT: OK, help me out with this orders necro: Order of the Vampire, Blood Ritual (disabled, used manually), Signet of Lost Souls, Splinter Weapon, Warmonger's Weapon... what other 3 skills? DPS, Bloodsong,...? Thanks!

Eryk

DarkSpirit · Jun 20, 2008, 08:13 PM // 20:13

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Originally Posted by Tyla

No SY or minions as a shield? Think about it: He is using Incoming, and if he follows my suggestion of Enfeebling Blood he will have another strong damage mitigation device.

Elemental damage is less effective in HM, and apart from the minimal damage it serves ToF, so remove this, put in an Orders Necro for more damage off the melee and more adrenaline spamming, and you save 1 skill slot and gain alot more damage.

ToF DOES make a significant difference in HM, without SY or minions. Incoming alone, even with Enfeebling Blood, is not enough to protect your squishies. Also some monsters carry condition removal and he already has Anthem of Weakness.

Elemental damage is very effective in HM, unless you only play a ranger so you dont really feel it.

Tyla · Jun 20, 2008, 08:32 PM // 20:32

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

ToF DOES make a significant difference in HM, without SY or minions. Incoming alone, even with Enfeebling Blood, is not enough to protect your squishies. Also some monsters carry condition removal and he already has Anthem of Weakness.

Did I say it doesn't? No. Did I say using a single SF Ele is bad? Yes.

Using multiple SF Eles, it's worth using that slot. Otherwise, no.

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Elemental damage is very effective in HM, unless you only play a ranger so you dont really feel it.

Armour ignoring damage and physical damage > Elemental damage. Elemental damage is weakened by the huge amount of armour enemies have in HM.

And guess what? I'm not a PvE monster, and I play accross all other professions, so I don't know where you got your last "point".

DarkSpirit · Jun 20, 2008, 08:35 PM // 20:35

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Armour ignoring damage and physical damage > Elemental damage. Elemental damage is weakened by the huge amount of armour enemies have in HM.

Actually HM monsters have huge amount of armor against physical attacks also. Not only that, some of them have blocking and AoE blind. The physical damage is always higher than elemental theory just doesnt hold up in the area that I test in.

Tyla · Jun 20, 2008, 08:39 PM // 20:39

lol.

Physical damage is affected by armour, yes. But attack skills that deal +damage are armour ignoring. For anti-melee, things like [[rigor mortis] and [[defile defenses], and for blinding, ever heard of condition removal?

By the way, casters also have counters.

DarkSpirit · Jun 20, 2008, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by Tyla

lol.

Physical damage is affected by armour, yes. But attack skills that deal +damage are armour ignoring.

Are you kidding? I can agree with a minority of them but not all.

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For anti-melee, things like [[rigor mortis] and [[defile defenses],

Which his build doesn't have.

Tyla · Jun 20, 2008, 08:45 PM // 20:45

You can always have variables in a build, and if your build is based mostly on melee, anti-melee will screw it up entirely.

DarkSpirit · Jun 20, 2008, 08:47 PM // 20:47

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Originally Posted by Tyla

You can always have variables in a build, and if your build is based mostly on melee, anti-melee will screw it up entirely.

Which is why there is value to be said for having a diversity of damage types.

Anyway, I am still interested to let him test it out and see.

bendezium · Jun 23, 2008, 01:25 PM // 13:25

Bob is now running Orders - I'd like to keep "They're on Fire!" with a mass burner to help keep incoming damage at a minimum. I've updated the builds in the first post.

Eryk